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Combat vs Subtlety Rogue

FreeBeta 1.60.1 data, 20 Sep

Two level 60 Rogue builds side by side: 29 talents differ and 7 are the same.

The two builds

Build A: Combat Rogue

Our pick — opinionCombat leveling build

18/33/0

Level
60
Points
51 of 51

16-point milestones

  • Cold Blood
  • Restless Blades

Build B: Subtlety Rogue

Our pick — opinionSubtlety leveling build

20/0/31

Level
60
Points
51 of 51

16-point milestones

  • Cold Blood
  • Premeditation

Use this comparison

https://foreverguide.app/b/1rdfitk0yu1i01m4r8me/vs/1r1mdiiz8tx1300000000001m4r93e

Both builds are our leveling picks: opinion, not confirmed by Blizzard. Why we picked them: Rogue leveling guide

Differences: 29 talents

Assassination1 difference · 18 points in A, 20 in B

Talent Rank RankWhat the extra ranks give
Remorseless Attacks. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 2/2Build B, rank 2: After killing a non-trivial enemy, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Mutilate, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.

Combat14 differences · 33 points in A, 0 in B

Talent Rank RankWhat the extra ranks give
Improved Eviscerate. Only build A takes it.Build A: 3/3Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 3: Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 21%.
Improved Sinister Strike. Only build A takes it.Build A: 2/2Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 2: Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5.
Lightning Reflexes. Only build A takes it.Build A: 1/5Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 1: Increases your Dodge chance by 1%.
Deflection. Only build A takes it.Build A: 3/3Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 3: Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Precision. Only build A takes it.Build A: 3/3Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 3: Increases your chance to hit with all attacks and Poisons by 3%.
Endurance. Only build A takes it.Build A: 2/2Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 2: Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60%.
Riposte. Only build A takes it.Build A: 1/1Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 1: A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target for 6 sec.
Restless Blades16-point milestone. Only build A takes it.Build A: 1/1Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 1: Your damaging finishing moves reduce the remaining cooldown of your Adrenaline Rush, Blade Flurry, Evasion, Sprint, and Vanish abilities by 2 sec per combo point.
Dual Wield Specialization. Only build A takes it.Build A: 5/5Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 5: Increases the damage done by your off-hand weapon by 25%.
Blade Flurry. Only build A takes it.Build A: 1/1Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 1: Increases your melee attack speed by 20% and your melee attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Hack and Slash. Only build A takes it.Build A: 5/5Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 5: Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 5% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 5%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 15% of your target's armor.
Weapon Expertise. Only build A takes it.Build A: 2/2Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 2: Reduces the chance for your attacks to be Dodged or Parried by 2%.
Aggression. Only build A takes it.Build A: 3/3Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 3: Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.
Adrenaline Rush. Only build A takes it.Build A: 1/1Build B: not takenBuild A, rank 1: Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.

Subtlety14 differences · 0 points in A, 31 in B

Talent Rank RankWhat the extra ranks give
Camouflage. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 5/5Build B, rank 5: Reduces your speed penalty from your Stealth ability by 15% and reduces its cooldown by 10 sec.
Opportunity. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 2/2Build B, rank 2: Increases the damage dealt by your Backstab, Garrote, Ambush, and Mutilate abilities by 10%.
Elusiveness. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 2/2Build B, rank 2: Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 1.5 min.
Improved Ambush. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 3/3Build B, rank 3: Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 45%.
Initiative. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 3/3Build B, rank 3: Gives you a 99% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Ghostly Strike. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 1/1Build B, rank 1: A strike that deals 125% (180% if a Dagger is equipped in your Main Hand) weapon damage and increases your chance to dodge by 15% for 7 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Heightened Senses. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 1/2Build B, rank 1: Increases your Stealth detection as if you were 1 level higher and reduces your chance to be hit by spells and ranged attacks by 2%.
Premeditation16-point milestone. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 1/1Build B, rank 1: Adds 2 Combo Points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
Serrated Blades. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 3/3Build B, rank 3: Causes your attacks to ignore 9% of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%.
Dirty Deeds. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 2/2Build B, rank 2: Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20, and your Garrote ability no longer requires you to be behind your target.
Preparation. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 1/1Build B, rank 1: When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your other Rogue abilities.
Hemorrhage. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 1/1Build B, rank 1: An instant strike that deals 100% weapon damage (145% if a Dagger is equipped) and causes the target to take 15% increased Rupture damage from the Rogue. Lasts 15 sec. Awards 1 Combo Point.
Quietus. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 5/5Build B, rank 5: Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 2% more damage against targets below 35% health. Per-rank values are unconfirmed.
Thousand Cuts. Only build B takes it.Build A: not takenBuild B: 1/1Build B, rank 1: When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times.

7 talents are the same in both builds, at the same rank. The full comparison lists them and draws both trees.

Talent data: public community datasets, Forever beta build 1.60.1.69893. Numbers can change in any later build or patch. Icon credits